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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:06 am 
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GTX480 SLI, lollerz, of course it's a crazy Tesselation setting.
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Dirt 2, at least the flagship title isn't embarrased.
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http://hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/7
Power and fan loudness page. Cards are loud and hot, 480W+ at full load for 480.

Y'know...Exactly what I was expecting. Now we'll have to see what the etailers are charging in a couple weeks.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:40 am 
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They called em a 480's for a reason. 480+watt home heating solutions. what kinda psu would one need?? there's something wrong here. who would wanna run sli with that kinda pwr draw?

I will stick with my 5850 running a fraction of that power and tho oc'd a mere 30 degrees. 42 degrees full load with a fan running 30 percent.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:09 pm 
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Ati's still got that Cypress refresh up their sleeves. Hopefully the Eyefinity Ed 5870 2GB won't be the only thing from them on Tuesday.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:36 pm 
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For power consumption it looks like the 4870X2 is still the champ. My system was hitting 524W with one of those puppies, if someone want's to loan me a 480, I'll give that a test :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:22 pm 
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A 4870x2 is 177w idle and max 421w under full load. Compare that to a supposed newer technology gpu which consumes 480w. Keeping in mind you are comparing the top dog of 2010 from team green to a top dog card that was from a generation ago from a gpu standpoint. Which still consumed less.

So the new age pwr hure is the 480. Recommended psu is at minimum a 600w and a sick thermal threshold of 105 degrees. who would ever wanna run sli with those specs?

The 480's tested were a few hairs away from these temps. Which despite performance, is sad. I dont see this as performance at all. I see it as a waste. Performance means different things to different people. To me its many things overall. All that energy being bled away as heat this day and age is a failure.

Both companies should lower prices actually, but to me ATI is still king cause of the very low TDP, cost and performance. Team green still has catching up to do.


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and the fan on it is LOUD!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 4:56 pm 
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Hali_Newf wrote:
A 4870x2 is 177w idle and max 421w under full load. Compare that to a supposed newer technology gpu which consumes 480w. Keeping in mind you are comparing the top dog of 2010 from team green to a top dog card that was from a generation ago from a gpu standpoint. Which still consumed less.

So the new age pwr hure is the 480. Recommended psu is at minimum a 600w and a sick thermal threshold of 105 degrees. who would ever wanna run sli with those specs?

The 480's tested were a few hairs away from these temps. Which despite performance, is sad. I dont see this as performance at all. I see it as a waste. Performance means different things to different people. To me its many things overall. All that energy being bled away as heat this day and age is a failure.

Both companies should lower prices actually, but to me ATI is still king cause of the very low TDP, cost and performance. Team green still has catching up to do.


I guess it depends on whose review you look at.

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You wanna see some funny charts?
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70dB! That's like having a vacuum turned on in yer room. 851W makes NS power happy!

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:17 pm 
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CMDR Steve-O wrote:
851W makes NS power happy!


Ya'd need a lot of CFL's to offset that.


Good lord, a dual card setup a PC P&C Quad 750 can't handle.

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 Post subject: Re: FERMI LIVES!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:11 pm 

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I'm glad the ATI fans can finally get their money worth than if they were to buy an nVidia product. Hardware and drivers have finally aligned for ATI to capture this moment in time as being the better buy for your money. Recall Cat 10.3s are responsible for ATI's new found numbers and a driver revision for NVidia usually provides similar increases. I am surprised by Nvidia performance numbers being better that expected this early into the product’s life cycle.

Price/performance/power etc are all non-linear curves which will eventually approach vertical; therefore one must shell out greater dollars for slightly higher increases in performance.

The power consumption and noise arguments are petty at best and have no real bearing for those in the realm of absolute top performance.

Regardless of efficiencies, the Intel/NVidia combination yields top absolute performance.

For those wishing to see the various cards under load with power consumption and noise, here is an excellent video to compare the ATI and nVidia offerings.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/ ... i_review/7

Make sure to watch the last video all the way through, sounds to me like some load throttling is happening due to temp. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:01 pm 
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I do have to somewhat agree. Intel is leading the pack with the i7. But the cost of the cpu's and motherboards are a lil sky high. To some people its just not worth having the biggest stick in the yard when you have to shell out that much, but not to all. Especially when most people dont truely tax them, its a waste of money unless you do.

Same with Nvidia. Yes you will pay to have the top dog. But I think its an absolute waste and an inefficient design this day and age with all that power being used. They could and should have done better. Intel and Nvidia together is the (strictly) performance leader. Mostly due to the i7 being awesome, nvidia's physx and benches taking that into account etc. Tho I am surprised as well this early at its performance, I didn't expect it to be that good.

Those videos are great but they didnt test the 5970 which still is the fastest best performing card , it does however have a hefty price tag which is a drawback and every time I think about it, I die a little on the inside lol

I am glad Fermi is released and they are performing well fps wise. Its about time ATI got a little competition on they're 5 series. Maybe prices will drop.

An i7 with a 5970 would be the performance king :P

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 Post subject: Re: FERMI LIVES!
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skiman wrote:
Regardless of efficiencies, the Intel/NVidia combination yields top absolute performance.

Sure, for those who want to spend $2000+ just for the CPU and 2 video cards. That's just the MSRP, so after taxes (and markup) it would be in excess of $2500.

This is where those people live.
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No point even rationalizing about it with them.

If anyone want to play computer games in a wind tunnel with space heaters, they can go right ahead.

I got my money's worth back in October Skiman. Is anyone on the forums actually going to buy one of the NV cards?

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I find it funny for any computer enthusiast to poke fun at anyone who opts for a different hardware configuration. Additionally, the various suggested analogies are a little over dramatic don't you think Steve-O?

While I applaud you for your selection and purchases, you do not need to post such things in such a negative manor so as to somehow justify to yourself and everyone else that your purchase/selection is the best, correct, or wisest. Your rhetoric is getting boring rather quickly.

Whatever your configuration, good for you Steve-O; but from what I see, it is like it just came off the shelf and that really is so boring.


Regarding noise

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/ ... i_review/7

"I had the idea to shoot videos after I was looking at the decibel chart of all the cards. It was rather unimpressive. The 5850 was the "quietest" card at 54dB. The rest of the cards sort of lumped together in the 56dB to 57dB range. The SLI and CrossFire setups were of course the loudest with the CF cards coming in at 59dB and the SLI cards coming in at 60dB at its loudest."

Steve-0, not much of a big difference in noise between the 470/480/5870. FYI the 5970 uses the same fan as the 5870.


Now let’s look at the supposed wind tunnel Steve-0 describes as the difference between the 5870 and the 480. Readers should be aware that both reference card use a squire cage design fan, where pressure is the focus rather than volume output.

The 5870/5970 uses the NTK (KH) Ltd FD9238H12S, a 92mm cooling solution with a max 4800 rpm.

The 480 uses the Delta BFB0712HF, a 70mm cooling solution with max 4400rpm.

I wonder what fan has the potential to move more air to cause the wind tunnel? Hint, it is not the Delta.

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What can I say, I lead a boring life.

Even if I wanted to buy a 480, it would surely melt...

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1258/16/
In my personal system (Corsair 800D Chassis) with two monitors the GeForce GTX 480 graphics card would idle at 90C and if it was a sunny day and my office was warmer it would idle at 92. I fired up the new DX11 game title Aliens Versus Predator and with GPU-Z in the background I saw the temperature reach 99C while gaming for around 30 minutes. At this temperature the fan is spinning at 70dB and it honestly was not an enjoyable gaming experience.

My room will get in the summer, no word of a lie, over 30C with the sun beating down on it. I'd have to get A/C, which i really want to do as well anyways, but now we're talking another several hundred (not buying the 199$ cheapo special) for the unit and another 10-20$ a month for electricity.

Also, how am I supposed to run 3 monitors with one GTX480?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2010 12:13 pm 
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I agree.

It seems im a little disappointed in team green with the noise and heat issue at the moment. Do i'll sway to red for now.

And yes Steve your place does get monster hot.

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